Direct Exam:   Lindsey Gutierrez

She said she and her husband were friends with the Widmers, not just neighbors. They would play cornhole together, Ryan and her husband played golf and they did other outside activities together. She and her husband moved into the house next to the Widmer's in 2006; just a few months before Sarah and Ryan moved in.

She said she never saw any indication of problems with Ryan and Sarah or any arguments between them. They socialized together and always had a lot of fun. They each had a dog and no fence.

The night of Sarah's death, she and her husband were outside loading a chair into the car about 9:30 p.m. and her husband went to bed because he was working an odd shift.   She said she never heard any sounds from their home.

She heard the ambulance siren as it approached the neighborhood and watched it pull down their street. She thought it might be for an older neighbor but saw it stop in front of the Widmer home. She went to get her husband and they watched as Sarah was brought out of the house. They could tell it was her because of her size. Ryan came out of the house afterwards and was making phone calls while pacing back and forth in the front yard. She saw him get in the ambulance put his face in his hands and drop his head forward.

She said two officers came to their home later that night and asked them if they had heard any arguing. They also asked if they knew if anyone was going on a vacation because "there was luggage near the front door".   They told the officers that they didn’t hear any arguing and that Sarah had just got back from a weekend trip.   The police officer said someone would be back to talk to them at a later time, but no one ever came back.

The next time she saw police was when they came back to break down the Widmer's front door. They had set up a tarp in the yard and were carrying items out of the house.   Officers were leaning against the back of Ryan's pick-up truck smoking cigarettes.

She said Ryan did not go golfing with her husband the weekend that Sarah went away.She saw him Saturday evening when he had a few friends over but she didn't know who they were.

On the Wednesday before Sarah's death, she and Sarah were talking on the lawn while their dogs were out and Sarah was telling her about the new puppy they were going to get. She said both husbands came to check on them because they were talking so long.

She recalled telling Ryan and Sarah to stop being so cute because it made her and her husband look bad.

Cross Exam: John Arnold

He began by asking if Ryan was a smoker and if he smoked in the garage. She replied "yes" to both questions. Asked if they ever talked on the phone, she replied, "No, they live next door."

She agreed that she has been inside their home, but not beyond the front room.

She said she wasn't present in the home on Aug. 11, 2008 and did not know whose DNA was under Sarah's nails.   Nothing further.