Direct Exam: John Arnold

He lives in Iowa and is a disabled veteran having been injured in Somalia. He's a student at Kirkwood Community College in Human/Disability Services.   Jennifer Crew has been his "significant other" since Feb. 2005 and they moved in together in Aug. 2005.

He found out about Jennifer's conversations with Ryan Widmer from Jennifer.   He talked about basketball with Ryan, on a car speaker phone while they were driving somewhere.

He slept downstairs for personal reasons and on the night of the phone call, Jennifer came downstairs crying, saying "uh..uh...he did it." He thought it was the day before his daughter's birthday, which is on Oct. 27th, but he's not sure; "right around there", he said. It was about 1:00 a.m. She was upset, scared and hurt because she has a big heart.

He told Jennifer to contact the prosecutor's office but she didn't. She stayed in contact with Ryan for 2 or 3 weeks after the phone call. He said she still talked about the trial up until the time she finally contacted the prosecutors in June 2010.

Nothing further.

Cross Exam: Jay Clark

On June 17, 2010, he was interviewed in Iowa by investigators and the interview was recorded. He was there to give information to investigators and to support Jennifer, but she wasn't in the room during the interview. It was just him and two investigators.

Clark said that according to the interview transcript, he told investigators the time was around 3 a.m. when she came downstairs, but today he said about 1:00 a.m. That's possible, he said, but he was asleep so he wasn't sure what time she came down.

Clark reminded him that he just testified that the phone call happened on Oct. 26th, the day before his daughter's birthday, but he told investigators he didn't know the exact date. He said when he spoke to investigators he wasn't in the right frame of mind. "This isn't my life," he replied, "I have other obligations".   He agreed that his ability to remember the date was connected to his daughter's birthday and her birth date hasn't changed.

Clark said he told investigators in June that she only talked to Ryan a few more days after the call, but today he said it was 2 or 3 weeks. He said he just assumed it was a few days when he talked to investigators. "I'm not always in her business," he said.   He agreed he made the wrong assumption.

During the June interview, Clark reminded him, he was asked about Jennifer wanting to come to Cincinnati to support Ryan. He said at first she planned on coming here, but a few days later, he found out Ryan said she could stay at his mother's, and that's when he told her, "if you go, don't come back." He said he didn't have a problem with the online or phone relationship. "No harm no foul. But when she decided to come here and stay at the defendant's house, that's foul."

Clark asked him why Jennifer continued to contact Ryan and he replied, "If someone is threatening you, you don't want to leave the situation where you're being threatened, putting your life in danger." Clark asked if that was the only reason he could think of and Hulett replied "Yes".

He didn't know if Jennifer contacted Ryan the day after the call but he knew his daughter was supposed to receive an e-card from Ryan for her birthday.

He said that he knows about Jennifer's methadone program and she's been in it for about two years. Clark asked if it had to do with her theft conviction and he said it did not. Nothing further.